Project Results and Wish List (updated Oct. 30)

Questions and comments about the McFadden Y-DNA surname project
Rob
Project Admin
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Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Project Results and Wish List (updated Oct. 30)

Postby Rob » Fri May 13, 2016 6:01 pm

Project Results
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mcfadden/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

The results are organized into the following groups:
- E-M2 Ungrouped (1)
- I-M223 Ungrouped (1)
- I-M253 Ungrouped (3)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > CTS1751 > BY595 (3)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF1 > S6365 > L705 (1)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF21 > Z3000 > BY3171 (1)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 1 (4)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 2a (DF105 > A10526) (6)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 2b (DF105 > A10526) (5)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 3 (4)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 4 (2)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Patterson (5)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Ungrouped (3)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > Z251 (2)
- R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > Z253 (5)
- R-M269 > U106 (3)
- R-M269 Ungrouped (likely non-M222) (6)
- R-M269 Ungrouped (only tested 12 markers) (6)
- R-M512 Group 1 (3)
- R-M512 Ungrouped (1)

These designations are meant to identify groups of men who appear to share a lineage based on the closeness of their STR results (the strings of numbers you see for each person on the list) and also to separate groups of men who do not. We know, for example, that someone who is R-M269 cannot be of the same lineage as someone who is R-M512. These two haplogroups split off from each other so many thousands of years ago that their DNA signatures are easily distinguished. On the other hand, comparing multiple groups within R-M269 is less certain and may require SNP testing. This is where the Big Y test comes in.

Project Wish List
- (Entire Project) That any kit tested to only 12 markers upgrade to 37 markers
- (All R-M269 groups and individuals) That every member able to do so take the Big Y SNP test
- (Entire Project) That a generous person win the lottery and decide to fund all of this!

See this thread for a brief explanation of why I've recommended the Big Y: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10

Recommendations should be considered suggestions rather than demands. Please contact me with any questions.

ELM
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 10:14 pm
Location: Oregon, USA
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-M269
MDKA: John McFadden 1751-1841, Sugarcreek, Venango, Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated May 21)

Postby ELM » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:37 pm

Help what next in order to refine? You have me listed in the (R-M269 Ungrouped) I see a suggestion that I should take SNP pack tests. I am seeing on FTDNA what looks like 30 to 40 different SNP tests for M269 at $38 a pop!!! Am I reading that correct? So could you clarify and expand on that a bit?

Ed McFadden

Rob
Project Admin
Posts: 31
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated May 21)

Postby Rob » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:20 am

ELM wrote:Help what next in order to refine? You have me listed in the (R-M269 Ungrouped) I see a suggestion that I should take SNP pack tests. I am seeing on FTDNA what looks like 30 to 40 different SNP tests for M269 at $38 a pop!!! Am I reading that correct? So could you clarify and expand on that a bit?

Ed McFadden

Hi, Ed! Happy to clarify.

There are a few different options when it comes to ordering SNPs:
- individual SNPs, which test for one at a time
- SNP packs, which test for 100 or so at a time
- the Big Y test, which tests for thousands of SNPs and can potentially discover new SNPs unique to your lineage

Individual SNPs, as you noticed, are about $40 a piece. I would generally NOT recommend people test individual SNPs at this point because it is the least efficient method. Ideally we would like people to take the Big Y. An SNP pack is a sort of middle ground - it can help place you further down in the Y "family tree," but it's not "the end."

Now, in your specific case, you appear to be M222+. This is a massive haplogroup and there could easily be multiple, separate McFadden lines within M222. On the other hand, you could potentially be of the same lineage as one of the McFadden M222 groups. That would be exciting, because it would indicate a very old line.

So, if you are interested in further testing, the recommendation is to take the Big Y, but if that isn't an option, then it would be to take the M222 SNP pack. (EDIT: please contact Rob before ordering an SNP pack as there may now be a more appropriate pack available)

To order the Big Y:
- Log in to FTDNA and click "Upgrade" at the top right
- The Big Y is the third option on the screen

And of course you always have the option of holding off for now.

I hope this helps. Let me know if something is a bit unclear.

ELM
Posts: 3
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 10:14 pm
Location: Oregon, USA
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-M269
MDKA: John McFadden 1751-1841, Sugarcreek, Venango, Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated May 21)

Postby ELM » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:15 pm

Thanks that was a big help...Ed

Rob
Project Admin
Posts: 31
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated May 21)

Postby Rob » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:29 pm

ELM wrote:Thanks that was a big help...Ed

No problem!

Just as an update, we did have someone order the Big Y and that is really the direction we're looking to go in. I'm going to put up a new post about the Big Y soon that hopefully does a better job of explaining what it is.

jamiemcfadden
Big Y Pioneer
Posts: 2
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:58 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-BY11728
MDKA: Patrick McFadden-Born 1832-Ireland-Son of John McFadden

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated June 22)

Postby jamiemcfadden » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:31 am

Good Morning to all in this Great Project!

This weekend I will be attending my American families 2016 reunion in Michigan. Their paternal Great Grandfather & mine were brothers. It's an amazing thing this genealogy research, I found them by chance/fate on the campus of the University of Notre Dame, they are Alumni. I will be further explaining my research, Y-DNA testing, BigY and The McFadden Project to hopefully get a few of the male lineage to partake.

Slainte!
Sincerely,

James Patrick McFadden III
Ontario, Canada
FTDNA: 483194
YFull-BigY: YF06724
R-BY11728+

Rob
Project Admin
Posts: 31
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated June 22)

Postby Rob » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:23 pm

jamiemcfadden wrote:Good Morning to all in this Great Project!

This weekend I will be attending my American families 2016 reunion in Michigan. Their paternal Great Grandfather & mine were brothers. It's an amazing thing this genealogy research, I found them by chance/fate on the campus of the University of Notre Dame, they are Alumni. I will be further explaining my research, Y-DNA testing, BigY and The McFadden Project to hopefully get a few of the male lineage to partake.

Slainte!

Great! It can be helpful when distant cousins test. It might make things easier on you to note that it's probably unnecessary for people who are close family to all test. So if you were to meet a group who were brothers/uncles/first cousins with each other, really you would only be looking for one man of that group to take an interest. Enjoy your weekend!

GeorgeMcFadden507
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Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated Oct. 30)

Postby GeorgeMcFadden507 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:37 pm

Hello people, my name is George McFadden (28 years old born and living in Panama City - Central America)...I would like to know more about my DNA comparisons witj other McFadden's. Do you guys have a specific DNA company or should I just do the test and email to an email address?? Many thanks in regards...

Rob
Project Admin
Posts: 31
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: Project Results and Wish List (updated Oct. 30)

Postby Rob » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:19 pm

GeorgeMcFadden507 wrote:Hello people, my name is George McFadden (28 years old born and living in Panama City - Central America)...I would like to know more about my DNA comparisons witj other McFadden's. Do you guys have a specific DNA company or should I just do the test and email to an email address?? Many thanks in regards...

Hi, George. Welcome to the community. I'm Rob, the current project admin.

While there are several major companies doing DNA testing, a surname project like ours specifically uses Y-DNA testing, which is not a service offered by most of those companies. Y-DNA testing deals only with your direct paternal line (meaning not your dad's side of the family, but specifically your father and his father, etc.). Companies like Ancestry.com and 23andMe provide testing that is much more broad, and therefore not of use to us. So it is almost by default that we recommend using Family Tree DNA: https://www.familytreedna.com. FTDNA also provides a convenient platform to host a project like ours. The only alternative to FTDNA that I would be comfortable recommending for Y-DNA testing is YSEQ: www.YSEQ.net

Typically we recommend the 67-marker test (Y67). The minimum test to be of use is the 37-marker test (Y37). There is a slight discount to their prices if you order through our project page: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join ... p=McFadden

Let me know if you have any questions.


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