McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Questions and comments about the McFadden Y-DNA surname project
MeMcFadden
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McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby MeMcFadden » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:40 pm

We've been trying to trace my husbands family but we've been unable to make that Irish Connection. We believe his 3xGr Grandfather - William McFadden - came to Canada to fight with the British in the War of 1812 and was later granted land near Ottawa. He MAY have come with one or more brothers but we haven't been able to confirm that either. We're sure some family members over the years have made their way to the USA as well.
I've just ordered a DNA test kit and we hope to have my husbands Uncle do the test. Hopefully we'll be able to pinpoint the specific part of Ireland he came from and maybe, in the process, find some distant relations in Ireland and the US.
If anyone else thinks they may be delving into the same line, please feel free to contact me.

Rob
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Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby Rob » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:45 am

Hi, welcome to the project. It will be interesting to see how your results fit in. Let me know if you have any questions.

MeMcFadden
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Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby MeMcFadden » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:50 am

Yes, thanks. We keep hitting road blocks with so many Williams and other common names within the family. A lot of possibilities but nothing to confirm the connections. I'll likely have questions when we get the results, if not before!

Rob
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Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby Rob » Fri May 19, 2017 3:37 pm

I noticed that your results have just come in. A couple things:

- To start, you do match one of our groups of McFaddens. I have placed you in "R-M269 > P312 > L21 > DF13 > DF49 > M222 Group 3," which can be seen here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mcfadden/default.aspx?section=ycolorized (you will have to be logged in to see all results). There are currently three other men in this group. One traces back to an Andrew McFadden, born about 1788 in Co. Antrim, Ireland, who died in Indiana, USA. One traces back to John "Stephen" McFadin, born about 1700 in northern Ireland, who died in North Carolina, USA. John Stephen McFadin may have been a son of "Andrew McFadden of Maine," who was born in Scotland around 1675, moved to northern Ireland, and then came to the US in 1718. We're still waiting for men with documented descent from Andrew to try to confirm or disprove this. The last match has so far only managed to go back to Indiana, USA in the mid-1800s. It's not yet possible using the current data to determine which of these men are more closely related to your line or estimate exactly how far back the connection is. But we can assume the group shares a common McFadden ancestor who appears to have been a Scot or Ulster Scot.

It's interesting to note that descendants of John Stephen fought in both the American Revolution and the War of 1812 on the side of the Americans. So McFaddens of the same lineage were on both sides.

- What is M222? M222 is a DNA marker that we can assume your line is positive for based on your results. This marker originated in one man who lived roughly 2000 years ago. Everyone with the marker, if they were able, would trace their direct paternal line back to this man. More than one in 10 men of Irish descent have this marker, as well as a smaller but significant percentage of Scots. The marker is commonly associated with the semi-mythical Irish king Niall of the Nine Hostages because many surnames thought to be descended from Niall are found to be M222+. However, even if Niall were to be M222+ himself, the marker appears to be centuries older than him. So I would not advise assuming you are descended from Niall, but I can say your line almost certainly traces back to an ancient Gaelic king or chief.

If you have an interest in this more distant history of your line, I would advise joining the M222 project: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-1c-7/about/background

Because M222 is such a massive group, it's not possible to assume all McFaddens who are M222 are of the same McFadden line. We currently have four different M222 groups in the project. It's possible some of them are related. It's a near certainty that not all of them are. One of the goals of the project is to sort this out through advanced testing for markers like M222. I'd be happy to explain further if you might have an interest in that. Also happy to answer any other questions you might have.

MeMcFadden
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Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby MeMcFadden » Fri May 19, 2017 3:50 pm

Thank you so much for all this information. I wasn't expecting results for another few weeks. I'm glad they went straight to you to be deciphered! We'll have to take some time to digest this and I'll most likely have some questions. Our McFadden family picnic is in a few weeks so it'll be nice to be able to share this information with them al!

Rob
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Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 3:17 pm
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-A10526
MDKA: Owen McFadden b. abt 1780 near Creeslough, Co. Donegal, Ireland

Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby Rob » Sat May 20, 2017 3:01 pm

No problem. When you join a project, the results are automatically visible to everyone in the project (unless you choose to make them private). This allows us to pool information and provide some analysis.

The group of McFaddens you are in already has multiple branches going back a few hundred years even though we are still a relatively small project. Because of this, I anticipate we will see your group grow substantially in the future and therefore be able to learn more about it. Especially once we are able to get in more Scottish testers.

If John Stephen McFadin was indeed the son of Andrew McFadden of Maine, that would push the common ancestor of the group back to Scotland in the mid-1600s at a minimum. If the group were to be of the same lineage as another M222 group in the project, that would make the line even older. The surname has supposedly been around since at least the 12th century. It will be interesting to see if we can find a lineage that we can estimate to go back that far.

MeMcFadden
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Re: McFaddens - the Canadian Connection

Postby MeMcFadden » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:26 pm

Hi Rob. I've taken a bit of time off from the Genealogy but trying to get back at it. I hope to enlist the help of a friend next week to make some sense of the DNA information and how to work with the info spread over 3 sites - Ancestry, FTNDA and this project site. In the meantime, I wondered if you had come across any more concrete connections to either Andrew (Antrim), John 'Stephen', or Andrew (Maine)? (from your post of May 19 above)
Sadly, the uncle that provided our DNA sample (John 'Allan' McFadden) died suddenly, shortly after we received these results. My husband, Brad, was fortunately able to share your notes with him just 2 weeks prior and he was amused, though not surprised, to think that members of the same line fought on opposing sides in the War of 1812! Thanks for your help.


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